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WHY?.....

Why use the "RED OCTOBER" pic for the Strategic enterprise ; (protest & take OVER) .....
RED October ; Black shirts ...a protest and a deliberate progress to achieve full ownership of LIVERPOOL football Club......?

It was pure "chance" that I was half-watching the tv as I was "posting" the E.L.S.U.N "statement of INTENT" on the web...and the Captain's status of being in between USA & USSR, with the "spin" of one and the misunderstanding of another, reminds me how I have felt, with the "spin of the Lfc "suits" G & H ; Purslow ; Broughton & co ; the media "pundits" and misinformed & misguided supporters & "fickle fans" on the other side...

RED October ; Black shirts..
(hunting for true RED SUPPORTers who will join the movement - and "fickle fans" who are delaying our objectives!)
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the media NOW start to mention the "protest" movement but avoid the Issue of SUPPORTERS ownership, 50,000 already registered and our global network can multiply that x 20 ...@ 500 per share we are the ONLY solution for the club, and when the media, the "pundits" the yankers & the bankers , and even some "fickle fans" finally realise that - we can move away from the stream of mis-informed BS! WE are the club..
if you CARE, get a SHARE!

These are extracts of strategic communications etc & "discussions" leading up to this VERY IMPORTANT time, not only important to all connected to LIVERPOOL but a statement of opposition to whats being done to our game and our global society as a whole..

...explained briefly in the protect-global-football-culture-from-financial-exploitation/Petition;

bLOG (like the petition , seems to be "blocked" by our "enemies" ) ; http://eured.wordpress.com

BACKGROUND..may be obtained from reading these articles (some of which are clarified/corrected by myself in blog or FB "comment & discussion")

- bbc Liverpool_fans_take_fight_online!

- Redmen-blackshirts

- Liverpool-fans-have-to-come-together-and-act-NOW-to-save-their-club-and-perhaps-all-of-football-before-it-s-too-late!

- Lfc-likely-to-avoid-premier-league-points-deduction-even-if-rbs-take-over

- SoS - September-2010-EGM-_-Video

- video-Liverpool-fans-protest-after-sunderland-game

- skys-jeff-stelling-comes-out-on-the-wrong-side

- spiritofshankly EGM-Voting-Results.html

- youtube.com/TRibute to Bill Shankly
....thanks Shanks, thanks Tosh, chokes me up just to watch it, loved him to bit and we must never let the modern vultures & fickle fans ruin what he gave us...
(CS10929) 29 years after his departure from this earth - some people are waking up to the TRUE "Shanks SPIRIT"...demonstrations against the "culture of capital" & co-operation between REds WORLDWIDE, Determination, courage; commitment, dynamic & creative FIGHTING SPIRIT ...now perhaps the "Shankly Banner" will not just be words...ACTION will speak louder, and louder until this world turns to Justice for all.. thanks to Shanks for all he gave ...must not be ruined by corporate vultures, bankers & fickle fans... WE ONLY want a SUPPORTERS owned club ...and will fight against any one who attempts to own OUR club & ANY OTHER situation now and in the future , we ARE the "group of people" WE ARE THE CLUB, if you care, buy a share...!

Impossible is not a fact.
It's an opinion.
Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare.
Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.

CS>10928

"A group of PEOPLE"...(if you care - buy a share"

"A group of PEOPLE"...
"Nice" mr. H has said..
"A group of PEOPLE"...is all we are
people coloured LIVERPOOL RED!

"A group of PEOPLE"...
who pay Y-OUR way
often treated like sh*te
...when we come TOGETHER
watch how we can FIGHT

"A group of PEOPLE"...
who FEEL the lyrics "Y.N.W.A.."
& SUPPORT "through wind & rain"
WE like to sing & shout
this CLUB WE WILL GAIN

"A group of PEOPLE"
who hate the liars & "suits"
expecting YOU to be FAIR
.. coming together around the WORLD
LIVERPOOL fc WE WILL SHARE

..if you CARE - GETa SHARE

10927

E.G.M.

http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/September-2010-EGM-_-Video.html

REDmen in BLACK!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YAZGxGXPDE

WE DO NOT want a new ("rich") owner/owners..

WE ONLY want a SUPPORTERS owned club ...and will fight against any one & ANY OTHER situation now and in the future who attempts to own OUR club, if you care, buy a share...!

Liverpool, post

...its no good this guy (who is sitting in Rafa's seat) calling himself "manager" coming in and admiring Shanks "WE are Liverpool" statement..then trying to dumb us down like the suits Purslow & Broughton & the other Lfc office "spinners" ...if ANY club in the world should be owned by its supporters, it is LIVERPOOL fc , we are the club, IF YOU CARE, buy a SHARE!

spiritofshankly+September-2010-EGM-_-Video

p.s. if any "fan" thinks criticising hodgson is disloyal (and I supported Shanks "holy trinity of players-supporters-manager since more than 40 years, totally) to me. forcing Rafa out, then ignoring 95% of supporters who wanted Kenny , and him being appointed by liars & cheats DISQUALIFIES roy as "OUR manager"..!

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Sean O'Cleirigh 27 September at 18:46 Report
chris... what is all this????

i cant make head nor tail of it... are you sending me a conversation history you have had with someone else... are u calling me stupid? are you saying i have an attitude problem???

anyway, will you confirm to me what this is about...

also, is there a strong possibility that SOS-SL will take over the club????

CS>27 September at 18:51
the answer is in your hands....as well as everyone of the million plus supporters/fans worldwide isnt is Sean???

these are extracts..."discussion" that an idiot at "help save Lfc" picked up on from y-our "mis-understanding.."

and it goes on...so make sure you WANT to continue a dialogue with ME...as a lot of people in Lp neither understand nor WANT or know HOW to get the same thing as I do ; Supporter ownership and nothing ELSE!/...

Sean O'Cleirigh 27 September at 17:58 Report
Are we gonna put last nights misunderstanding behind us???

CS> ChriS SmiTH 27 September at 18:29
what MIS-understanding? <smile> ?

we will know soon if SoS-SL co-operation is confirmed...

in the meantime..this...for consideration before our next "discussion" Sean..

Help Save Liverpool FC> It's a strange place inside your head.
Just so you understand how this site works.
There are several moderators overseeing it at any one time. So at any one time you can be responding to any one of us.
As moderators we are given the username of the site. So it's not a question of anonymity is a question of Facebook protocol.
You were asked a simple question with no hidden meaning but inside you see something else.

That's your issue, nobody elses.
If you want to put a name to a face or vice-versa just let us know when you are next in Liverpool and I'll happilly make my face and my name known to you.
You do a great deal of talking on the internet. You seen to insult virtually every person you 'debate' the matter with, yet when you attend 'the most important meeting in our clubs history' as you kep calling it and are given a free platform to have your say you do NOTHING.You say NOTHING and you contribute NOTHING.
Don't want to hurt the 'progressive action' more likely you didn't have anything to say in person out of fear rather than anything else. Fear that you'd get found out Chris.
That says a great deal to me.
You bottled it mate and now you are backtracking and will continue to do so while also continuing to criticise evryone who doesn't listen to you.
You had that chance and blew it, but you carry on playing the victim because it suits your agenda.

CS>like i said I am not interested in "your opinion" ...you hide behind the "anonymous" and pick a fight with me, ..for whatever agenda / ego problem you have...and the same negative mentality that helped them get rid of Rafa, I dont explain myself to you, because you dont matter to me, anyone GUTLESS who wont "discuss" with me, (Sean had the bottle to do so, and I respect him for that_ but you dont , so you can blame a colleague for your stupidity when I show you to be a fool..I dont care about you, your "moderator" rules , same as RAWK when they decide to exclude someone without discussion, a nasty little "clique" which , if ANYthing could, will RUIN the chances of supporter ownership and shows up that negative mentality that can only delay or damage anyone who is progressive...you sicken me..and dont call me by my name as if you know, if you dont have the balls to name yourself!...you know sweet FA about me..

If I wanted to, I could have de - railed the meeting saturday, and when I finish my (E.L.S.U.N)report i will post it here (if you havent already "banned" me like you threatened weeks ago! <SMILE>) but i would have been as STUPID as you are to do so because I want SoS-SL to be a credible vehicle for supporter ownership, as i stated all along, as i wrote in my public letter 2 years ago, and as I have supported (despite my criticism of their "methods" and lack of action..

I dont need a "platform" ...small men like you DO!

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WE DO NOT want a new ("rich") owner/owners..

WE ONLY want a SUPPORTERS owned club ...and will fight against any one & ANY OTHER situation now and in the future who attempts to own OUR club, if you care, buy a share...!
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@bev..they know,, of course they know about it, but THEY (Lfc, the media , G & H etc,,,) dont WANT to report it...someone of "sporting life" said there were 2000 , but merseyside POLICE reported to SoS there were 9000 of us.. I was there... - were YOU?

WE DO NOT want a new ("rich) owner/owners..

WE ONLY want a SUPPORTERS owned club ...and will fight against any one & ANY OTHER situation now and in the future who attempts to own OUR club, if you care, buy a share...!

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Help Save Liverpool FC I asked you a simple question and once again you want to make a snidey comment.
For some reason you can't help yourself can you.

What put downs?

You have a very serious attitude problem.
Diid you stand up at the AGM and have your say?

CS>"simpla questions " ? BS! ...ask Graham Smith.(SoS solicitor) ..I shook his hand saturday
YOU are the SNIDE! ...because your "question" infers that I wasnt there, and ONCE again you show yourself to be a fool ..and as you arre ANONYMOUS!!!! (and dont use your own name on this group, you look even more stupid than normal expecting me to "identify myself" to a nobody...

I have nothing to "say" ...
how many times must I tell you, I DO NOT care about YOUR opinion, my "attitude problem" is NOT a problem for me,,,because you cant read in what I am saying because your little ego is damaged...

I didnt bang my drum, as you told me I do all the time, I joined the parts of protest I agreed with and did nothing to hurt any other (progressive) action..

you simply forget that it was MY IDEA to bring SoS and SLfc into ONE organisation..
(I am waiting to see if they do what they say.. and if they dont I will THEN do or say what i feel...)

I told you (but you are just too stupid and only want to "tell me off"and not understand ...I wont contribute to SoS/SLfc UNTIL its managed properly...you & SoS should thank me , because IF I had stood up, then the metting would have been in chaos as I coudl have tied it up for hours, challenging each and every item

...there was one guy who attempted to do so, not making my arguement , but his...and he took 20 minutes on one item, I could have done so on each item..and ruined the EGM but as I agree IN SPIRIT with the co-operation...

10927 - its not strange if you know our history with the media!!!

Liverpoolfc Campaign > 27 September at 13:23
anyone wana tell me why this protest got so little media coverage over the weeknd in the National TV and Papers?

CS>because the media dont like Liverpool supporters and we dont like them (since Hillsborough etc) and the World is afraid of what we are going to do when more than one million REDS supporters & fans come together and take back control of the club - WE ARE THE CLUB, if you care - BUY a SHARE!

(note Merseyside police informed SoS that 9000 fans joined the protest!! , not 2k as "reported")
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Help Save Liverpool FC > 04hrs 10927You were at the Shankly statue in your protest shirt eh Chris?.
You should have made yourself known and we could have had a chat face to face for a change.
Which one are you on the pics?

CS>sorry to wake U up again "anon" ...! i am the one with the black shirt on, (& sometimes wore a red cap) (see clearer in the Redmen video when it comes out?) and carried a "jolly roger" during the post-match sit-in...but of course all U wont to do, like your colleagues is "put downs" ...no wonder there is still so much anti-co-op blah blah amongst Liverpool "fans"...
.......I'm the one in the black shirt! ;) (and with the "jolly roger" flag)

Stephen>good to meet you with Stefano thursday, let me know when you are back home..

CS>good to know U too, we have to keep networking the "european/Global" ..
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10923-26

"birthday bashed" by jo s mates on Friday night, then "quietly" attended the Union meeting saturday <smile> gave graham S a scare, sang with the blacks alternative shirt on before the game, and was one of the last 2 of that "group of people" to be excorted by 10 stewards from the centenary stand...as I said at the time to a moaning b-steward.."this is just the beginning"..! <smile> ..if YOU care , BUY a SHARE!;)

CS> Surely the "Spirit of Shankly" is about enthusiasm, determination, committment, dynamism , creativity , (a bit of cocky "arrogance" ) & fighting SPIRIT..?????where is it? (instead of repeating rumours) what are you doing to help clean y-our club of the "suits" & get it into the hands of TRUE supporters? (didnt this "group of people" understand the content of the SoS-SL meeting saturday, is much more important than any rumours?) , our club, our shirt, if you care buy a share, because WE ARE the Club, and you better join us or be left behind...-

Sean O'Cleirigh 26 September at 23:05 Report
chris, i asked everyone not to send a reply back to the group email... please dont do it again. if you want to leave a message on the wall, do.
people will get pissed off with all the mails and leave the group

CS>
I am pissed off with coming back from a 5000 mile round trip losing 2 nights sleep to attend probably the most important meeting i9nt he history of the club, to find MY INBOX fuill of rumour , rumour & more rumour, how about getting behind our own supporters strategy..and promoting this,,,NOw...direct action, fine, I stayed behoind in the stadium I wore the shirt & sang at the shanks statue , BUT we also MUST promote the supporters ownership as well as blocking G & H and ANYONE else..

Sean O'Cleirigh 26 September at 23:11 Report
listen mate.. there is absolutely no point in attacking fellow liverpool fans here. you not think i am pissed off. people leave this group if they get one or two mails or if people keep responding to group emails, promote what u like on the group wall

CS>forget it, U obviously missed the point, have you & those "Liverpool fans" got on b oard with the the co-ordinated strategy or not, I am not going to discuss it all night I am too tired..

26 September at 23:17 Report
well you dont have to be a dick about this chris... i get ur point.

CS>now I am p+ssed with U, just when I was gonna let it go U have to insult me, you are the " dick" because U havent got a clue about strategic

Sean O'Cleirigh while i don't question your motives or enthusiasm, i don't think alienating each other is going to do the trick... haven't the fans been alienated enough with the yanksmanagement ?

CS>thats exactly my point, theres too many different projects watering down our chances of a co-ordinated range of "independent" actions..anyway Sean, I m going to bed, maybe Ill be in a better mood with U in the morn..;)

Sean O'Cleirigh look its stressful times mate... we are all a little stressed with reason to be. lets stick together on this

CS> ChriS SmiTH 27 September at 02:14
now I am p+ssed with U, just when I was gonna let it go U have to insult me, you are the " dick" because U havent got a clue about strategic management and U waste time having a dig at ME , get in line, theres a lot before U <smile> CU next tuesday!

Sean O'Cleirigh 27 September at 02:18 Report
i didnt insult u... u went off the top a bit and i said u dont have to be a dick... u were gettin very annoyed and taking it out on me... this isnt just ur club here.

i didnt have a dig at u... i support what u said on the group page

27 September at 02:20 Report
perhaps i should have worded things a little different.. but u need to relax

CS>-------------if you go to bed and stop sending me petty messages then I will get some rest ! got it?????

Sean O'Cleirigh 27 September at 02:23 Report
jesus christ u have a really bad way of talking to people chris

CS>27 September at 02:41
dont dare chastise ME, Sean, when you wrote that I am a "dick" (ands thats the mistake of several that I have crossed swords with) because I have never ever directly called another true Reds supporter or player by named insult! ...I attack what people do or say when its wrong , and if you cant take the truth, dont mix it with me.. .... I wish U a VERY good night, dont reply any more today otherwise I will "de list you" ! mate!
good night!

Sean>chris... ur approach is too agressive and its directed at the wrong people. I said that to u... now u emailed me over this and i told you what i meant. we are all for liverpool fc... last thing we need is all of us fighting with each other
....
further more chris i dont think you can go off at people like that and say people arent doing enough... how do we tell the speculations from the truth... we have all acted in whatever way possible to get this club rid of gillett and hicks.....
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i wasnt attacking you chris, i just thought you were very abrupt with me. i only asked you to stop replying to group mails as people have complained before about this. do not take this personal

CS>Sean, what is NOt " personal"? in this battle for the very existence of the unique LIVERPOOL club, ...how do you tell whats real?, BY engaging in proper stategic communication networking.. you cant win a "war" (and this IS a form of WARfare) sending in a battalion, without telling (agreeing) tactical movement with your tank commander and your air support, otherwise "friendly fire" kills your own "men" and thats what is happening in many ways ..daily since this "war" started....

I think you may mean well BUT//the "enemy" have won too many "battles" because "WE" act like a bunch of amateurs..your group, Kop faithful, RAWK, empire of the kop, etc etc etc and then theres SoS/SLFC only coming together NOW after I told them to do so 2 years ago!

if you are "miffed" now, just wait till I really lose my temper.....i can "go off" a lot worse than this.,..

WE are NOT "doing enough" ...with 1 million + fans we are powerful enough to remove G & H purslow & broughton TODAY if we were better co-ordinated..and thats why I am angry, I understand my "enemy" - I know how THEY think, but my "friends" are shooting at me from behind ..maybe you dont see the comparison, but instead of reacting against me (and winding me up) , you and my other "critics" shoudl take some time and go back over what I have said CONSISTENTLY since 2 years!! then come and tell me that you STILL make me wrong..

its all "personal" when I gave 40 years of unconditional support to this club..BUT NOW I AM making "conditions" of the club, of the supporters, the "suits", the fickle "fans" and anyone who is damaging our current & future abilities

..its VERY personal..its the ONE thing in my life that isnt dead destroyed or stolen by greed , fear or apathy..yet..and IF (for example) people spend too much time giving credence to "rumour" it also waters down the POSITIVE action I agreed to make with ELSUN, SoS & SLfc to ensure that a Supporters owned Lfc
is a reality!, and now, for the very last time (and i wont discuss any more now because i am VERY VERY tired..) Sean, GOOD night!

protect-global-football-culture-from-financial-exploitation/

10921

The end of "the KOp, ends with the last "KOPite" or the last "Socialist"..?

Many, maybe most, of the people I am writing to, live in a commercial, now mainly "capitalist" world. Whether or not your local political or social view is otherwise...

IMO. the "victory" of the NWO perhaps defeated some viscous dictatorships (some in the guise of "Soviet-communism/socialism" ) yet any true Socialist knows that there has Never been a truly Socialist society other than in small isolated communities, in the 60's when I was a boy (largely influenced by an energetic celtic mother who was active in the regional labour party and local social work), I fell in love with such a community - it was called "LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB" managed b an enthusisatic & larger-than-life scot called BILL SHANKLY"..

Conditioning...

Whether its the Tv programming , media, teachers or even the "conditioned" parents & neighbours of recent generations that sold them "greed is good" , convinced them that the stock market is "real" that "bankers" are friends and corporations provide job, even if those pollute the air land & water..people swallowed an "absolute corruption" when the "soviet enemy" collapsed, the alternative "enemy" ("Islam") has been conveniently identified to justify the NOW TRILLIONS of dollars poured into improving global "security" also conveniently removing the APPLICATION of many equal/human(e) rights in the process

Global Game, Global Culture

Simultaneously modern "Bling" (which is more about "packaging" than content) arrived in the biggest game in the World, the sport of most kids, a culture than was naturally introduced to boys has been exploited at all levels.with the USA infliltrating "soccer" their corporate vultures infected the home of our culture; and in the nineties introduced their form of "prostitution" (which ruined their own Baseball, NFL & basketball leagues) into the traditional "Football League" and turned it into the billion dollar "Premiereship".

MY fight ,

I worked as an office boy at 16 years old, I formed a staff association at 21, married, divorced & made a million (GBP) before I was thirty, luckily a meningitis - induced coma stopped me from becoming a european version of W. Gates and I woke up after a week and vowed to "go the other way" (to be "alternative" <smile> ) amongst other things I have organised demos, peace campaigns, (including co-operating the start of "human shields") - I have been "examined" (a total of 24 months military style "investigative detention" by several judges & state attorneys without conviction) I formed a Union to fight for Justice & and social equality , ecological intelligence, & personal development .....and I supported MY club..in any & every way I could, starting fan groups, supporters clubs, coaching, and promoting the LIVERPOOL way...but the damage was done in my "Hometown"...(no I was not born there!)

..Y-OUR Fight?

..about the same time that billions were "spent" on the city of Liverpool (rather than the people of it, ....why not "buy" Lfc as a community asset at the time?) during the "European Capital of Culture" the previous custodians of MY club were SELLING out to business people from the USA, the rest is history. These people have defrauded the community with what can only be reasonably described as lies & mis-information. Despite this obvious PUBLIC violation, less than 1 % of a global fan base of 1 million + have "reacted"(so far!) ...and those that HAVE reacted have been blinded by the extreme financing of clubs like Manchester City, Chelski & (un)Real Madrid into believing that a simple solution is another "rich guy" to invest billions into our club..

how stupid!?...the "activists" failed to effectively oppose the appointment of "officers" Purslow & Briughton , who removed the most succesful Lfc manager since 20 years, and (typically of a world dictated to by generals & bean-counters) have failed to uphold the remnants of the unique SOUL (ironically called the "Spirit of Shankly" by the supporters Union) feeding the paying public with the sort of "spin" the USA is so proudly identified with.

IF you dont see the reason to fight, then stop complaining..because YOU are the problem...not only to fight for the removal of the above-mentioned "suits" but also because LIVERPOOL football club, the most succesful club, of the most important League, of the most important game, culture and business on this planet, IS IN DANGER! YOU NEED to STOP it being continually exploited by business men at Y-OUR EXPENSE.. anyone who is telling you that a "rich guy" is our best solution is FOOLING you! ...the INCOME of Lfc WORLWIDE belongs to us, stop feeding bankers & brokers who are simply taking the money you invest ; tickets; souvenirs & etc and laughing as they STAB YOU IN YOUR BACK, by ripping y-our money off!

There have been some "initiatives" by german fans and some other groups & even those claiming to be "supporter federations"...but NO EFFECTIVE & co-ordinated STRATEGY...

MY Strategy..

..has often been opposed...NOT by the enemy (other than the usual blocking of phones, sms, emails , petitions & facebook campaigns) but by many members of the committees of "SoS" ; SLfc ; "Help Save Liverpool" & various "fans" (who have been thrown at me, in attempts at discrediting my name/aims. Here is MY aim..

TO fight the people who exploit YOU...and to place football clubs in the hands of the TRUE supporter, he or she that TRULY deserves it...

I PUBLICLY (via the "KOP" magazine, & SoS/SLfc etc..) proposed the combination of SoS & SLfc almost 2 years ago, had that proposal been acted upon, we may NOW have Lfc in y-our hands..there is an EGM this weekend, and instead of being one of full action , it will be filled with "constitutional matters" and discuss crisis action! My resolutions offered to the SoS/SLfc committee have been ignored..therefore my emphasis will be to promote the above aims via EuRED Liverpool Supporters (overeas) Union Network, co-operate with various (unofficial) supporters clubs & fan groups, World wide and impliment this PLAN of Global ACTION...

a) our global supporters network will boycott any bank or corporation's products who oppose TRUE Supporter ownership.
b) & will boycott matches & encourage Global supporters/ex/&/players participation
c) will continue the "G & H not wanted anywhere " campaign , changing the target to banks or relevant corporations who back those who oppose us publicly
d) IF necessary cause the LIQUIDATION of the trading / holding companies who oppose us (that begins with the various G & H companies; Kop football/holdings)
e) finally instruct barristers to obtain an INJUNCTION (anton pillar mareva ) to FREEZE the activities of the club pending a full investigation of previous /Current "owners" & officers (alledged fraudulent) activity

CS/E.L.S.U.N/KOP Unltd
Montenegro. 10921
"peace day" <smile>

the petition
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90120

Help Save Liverpool FC
Chris can you do us all a favour and take your rants elsewhere.
You have no idea what we are aware of and seem keen to simply insult anyone and everyone who you feel is a valid target.
It's becoming increasingly boring.
The e-mail/letters you ...have quoted are what was posted on those web sites. The aditions you have made are not part of the Campaigns and unless you can show that you have instigated proceedings to obtain injunctions/freeze the activities/ cause theliquidation of the club,or are in the process of or that any fan group involved is a party to such actions I see no validity in claiming this will be the intended actions of Liverpool supporters Worldwide.
If you are merely claiming the Balkan reds are doing this with your 25 members qualifying as Worldwide fan representation, then that's up to you. We'll wait with bated breath to see the outcome of your activities.
So as far as "local cliques' are concerned I would suggest you look no further than your own living room.

Angela Greenkiwi
Ok Lads. I'm sorry. I started this...I didn't realise I was picking a scab.
As September 21 is PEACE ONE DAY I'm going to insist on a
(((group hug))) ...... Yes..... you have to, kids could be watching! (((LOL)))
Can we just think about what... we want out of all of this... to get The Cowboys sent packing.... and preserve our club from exploitation. Any and all efforts that achieve that are ALL Good, OK? oxo

CS>angela, not your fault, ...anon, what "rant"?...how can you fight the battle that needs to be done when any one else does something that you Have NOT done (and thats a lot) gets put down by you?..theres no mention of "Balkan Reds" in my email..(U are ignorant of the relevance of quoting 25) ..you need a better "script writer" and your snide comments just reflect the ignorance of whoever belongs to your "local clique"/...its got FA to do with YOu if WE send an email with OUR intent to mobilise global support in a more dynamic & POWERFUL way than your & your colleagues ,YOU SAT BACK being "patient" WHILST THEY RIPPED UP LFC THIS SUMMER ..so save you bile for the real enemy G & H, Purslow, Broughton, the "bankers" and the rest of the "suits"..

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CSThanks Angela, in MY/ELSUN email It made reference to the first part being taken from RAWK/SOS! so dont panic "mr. anon"

from discussion board
90120
Help Save Liverpool FC> As pointed out on the wall post.
The above e-mails have been taken in the main from R.A.W.K and S.O.S.

The claims below which have been added,form no part of the e-mail/letter Campaigns on R.A.W.K, S.O.S or any other fan site involved.

d) IF necessary cause the LIQUIDATION of the trading / holdings companies who oppose us
e) finally instruct barristers to obtain an INJUNCTION (anton pillar marevra ) to FREEZE the activities of the club pending a full investigation of previous owners & officers (alledged fraudulent) activity.

There is no substance to such claims and are merely the thoughts of the author.

CS>ELSUN><SMILE>the comments of the anonymous "Help Save Liverpool" above have no basis intruth, as that "person" or persons have no knowledge of acitivities out side RAWK/SOS local influence.. and quite clearly show a narropw-minded "local clique" attitude that ever since I PROPOSED publicly for SoS & SLfc etc to combine almost 2 years ago..blocks every attmpt to progress a co-ordinated strategy for the benefit of ALL Liverpool supporters Worldwide!

email sent this morn, and we added>

CS10919> PLEASE BE ON NOTICE

any of you that intend to invest in G & H or ANY other "investor" who thinks he can exploit our global supporter/fan base again will be disappointed and the banks will lose , because

a) our global supporters network will boycott any bank or corporation's products who do so..
b) will boycott matches
c) will continue the "G & H not wanted anywhere " campaign , changing the target to banks or relevant corporations who back those who oppose us publicly
d) IF necessary cause the LIQUIDATION of the trading / holding companies who oppose us
e) finally instruct barristers to obtain an INJUNCTION (anton pillar mareva ) to FREEZE the activities of the club pending a full investigation of previous owners & officers (alledged fraudulent) activity

ELSUN/BcR
CS/Montenegro

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CS>we really need to stop being "distracted" by rumour & media and motivate each other and the million + Liverpool supporters & fans to buy the club...if we all pitched in we would have more than enough money to progress!!! ..its madness to wait for someone else "to save us" like standing on the titanic, discussing the details of the iceberg , when there is a lifeboat waiting to be launched nearby!

John , IF there is anyone on the joint committee capable of representing our aims in the "pool of political sharks" fine, but we certainly need a fully co-ordinated strategy that hits the suits AND has progressive aims...pity you wont be in LP next saturday!

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Subject: My10919 ELSUN supporting Campaign v Hicks & Gillet (get out of Our club) and Global Supporters ownership..
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:14:43 +0200

10919

CS> this was posted this morning...

"Background (Lfc supporters forum)

This is The Telegraph's brief summary -
Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks is reported to have told the club’s board that he will sign a £281million refinancing deal to stay in charge at Anfield on Oct 1.
The American, who met Liverpool chairman Martin Broughton in London for talks last week, hopes the deal with the Blackstone/GSO Group will allow him another two years to find a buyer for the Merseyside club, who face Manchester United today.
The deal reportedly does not include any funds to buy new players or to build a new stadium. The notion of Hicks remaining in charge could also lead to questions over the long-term futures of Pepe Reina and Fernando Torres, who have voiced concerns over the club’s ambitions under the American owners.

Now overnight, RAWK's answers to Lisbeth Salmander and her team have been beavering away to provide us with up to date contacts; the first stage is to make Blackstone/GSO (or any alternative leverage specialists) think again, if we can. I'd suggest sending this to the first two email addresses on this list and cc-ing the rest; the template is a suggestion only. I'm hoping to have some considered advice from Jack later on, as to the best arguments to use and at the moment, I must confess, my anger level is sky-high and a great deal of emotion has spilled into this email. Still, lets them know we're not easy fodder for their particular brand of rapacious capitalism, eh?

GET EMAILING people. I came on here this morning and 'famous lookalikes' was at the top of the board. For those who prefer snailmail/faxes, I'll be posting those details subsequently.

bennett.goodman@gsocap.com; Stephen.Schwarzman@blackstone.com

lgoldman@beachpointcapital.com; droerig@beachpointcapital.com;
cgoldsmith@beachpointcapital.com; lgoldman@beachpointcapital.com;
droerig@beachpointcapital.com; lfink@blackrock.com; tlevart@dkpartners.com; sleviant@dkpartners.com; jbloom@trimarancapital.com; David.Shaw@deshaw.com; jaranson@centerbridge.com; jbader@halcyonllc.com; mbrancaccio@stonetowercapital.com

This morning, supporters of Liverpool Football Club woke up to the news that Blackstone/GSO is considering a £281m loan to Tom Hicks to continue in his leveraged ownership of the club, news which is greeted by us with a mixture of anger, outrage and despair.
I can assure you of a number of facts:
Should Blackstone/GSO or any other of the financial institutions cc-ed to this email bail out Tom Hicks, you will be taking a heavy risk, even without the hostility of the supporters of the club.
You are no doubt aware that Hicks Sports Group defaulted on a $525m loan last year and the details of the lenders’ outrage at his subsequent manoeuvres concerning land around the Texas Rangers’ stadium. If not, we would be happy to provide you with the details.
Hicks subsequently gave interviews making clear that the default was ‘strategic’ and painting himself as a successful businessman in other fields.
Hicks cannot have it both ways. Either he is a successful businessman – in which case he thinks nothing of reneging on financial agreements if they prove onerous to him – or he did not have the money to repay the loan. In neither case can he be considered a good risk for repayment of a large loan.
No doubt, Hicks has portrayed LFC as a successful vehicle with a growing commercial profile and the ability to repay high interest payments in his approach to you. You should be aware that LFC is in decline, thanks to Hicks’s tenure, and has dropped out of the lucrative Champions League. Its inability to support the interest on the current loans is one factor draining the on-pitch success that ensures off-pitch profit. On Thursday, its ground was 20,000 short of capacity as fans stayed away. It is said that Hicks is seeking to mortgage the loan against the ground and players: if so, you should also be aware that the ground is worth little, being in an extremely depressed area of Liverpool, and the players have made publicly clear their opposition to Hicks’ continuation as owner so that it is likely the best will leave (their ability to pick their own destinations means there can be no guarantee of their achieving their highest worth) should he stay.
It is said that Hicks believes the supporters will accept him as a sole owner. If he has indeed been so deluded as to have informed you of this, I now seek to correct the impression. Hicks and his son are held in contempt by millions of Liverpool supporters worldwide. We are increasingly mobilised and drastic measures, including boycotts, are now being discussed. We are not prepared to see the club we love bled to death.
Has he informed you about Liverpool’s worldwide supporter base? A word of advice: the lukewarm fans will drift away as the debt bleeds the club dry of success, the hardcore fans will boycott and do everything in their power to ensure Hicks is ousted without a penny of profit as quickly as possible.
Don’t believe me? Research us. Look at whom you are dealing with. Look at the boycott we carried out against The Sun newspaper after it defamed our supporters. Look at how we drove shock jockey S Cohen off the air when he insulted our dead. We are not the tame consumers you lbo people are used to dealing with. We are militant, passionate and committed. I don’t know how we will do it, I don’t know how long it will take, but we will drive Hicks from this club and your organisation will be the target of our considered and organised action if you bail him out.
Oh, and personally, I wouldn’t lend Hicks a fiver.
Yours faithfully,

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The Spirit of Shankly Supporters' Union have had sight of an internal Barclays Capital document that supplies information about the state of Liverpool Football Club's finances over the Summer of 2010. While the original copy document is not in the Union's possession, a full and accurate copy of it has been made.

The document throws up many questions about the public messages coming from Martin Broughton, the Club and Barclays Capital underlining again that Liverpool Football Club teeters on the edge of a financial abyss.

From the documents the Spirit of Shankly have gleaned the following main points:

* Up until at least the beginning of August, if Barcap were indeed serious about seeking a buyer they had also been seeking to re-finance the debt. So much so that they refer to approaching around 25 potential investors.

* The Executive Directors (Broughton, Purslow and Ayre) sought advice from Slaughter and May (a large international legal practice) concerning whether re-financing by RBS should be approved in light of their fiduciary responsibilities. Their duties as Directors are to act in the interests of the club. The club in this instance is Hicks and Gillett. Their appears to be legal argument about how they can act in the best interests of the club and therefore the shareholders, considering the circumstances.

* On the basis of Slaughter and May's advice, BarCap subsequently made an amended re-financing proposal. It is not clear from this document whether that amendment was sufficient for Slaughter and May to have since indicated that the changes were sufficient to allay the Executive Directors' reservations.

* The firms identified as being willing to be involved in re-financing the Club’s debt are identified as FBR, Beach Point, Halcyon, Blackrock, DK Partners, Stonetower, Trimaran, DE Shaw, Avenue, Centrebridge and GSO.

* In the period July to August the Club’s debt was increased in the following sums:

15/07/2010 Ticking Fee: £5.0m

15/08/2010 Ticking Fee: £7.5m

31/08/2010 Ticking Fee: £7.5m

PIK Increase (Aug): £0.8m

Total: £20.8m

* The sum currently required to re-finance the Club is £300m. However, this can be reduced to £187.5m through using the proceeds of a £75m loan to the holding company in Delaware and by rolling £37.5m into the proposed loan for the new stadium. This plan for securing debt against the as yet unbuilt stadium, means should the stadium finally come to fruition, revenue it generates would contribute towards the ownership debt as opposed to its construction.

* FBR propose to lend £75m to Kop Delaware. Delaware is a "deregulated" haven in the USA, along the same lines as Cayman. As such, it would not be unreasonable to think that a similar mechanism to the Kop Cayman loan could take place in due course, i.e. Kop Delaware could "lend" this money to LFC. (FBR is a top ten rated US investment bank)

The questions that this document raises, among others, are:

* Why did Martin Broughton say the club would be sold "before the end of the transfer season" when BarCap were proposing re-financing "solutions" until at least the end of July?

* Did the changes proposed by BarCap , in line with Slaughter & May's advice, sufficiently address the Executive Directors' questions regarding their fiduciary responsibilities, and as a result prevent them from using this argument to continue to stop re-financing?

* In light of the apparent position that the Executive Directors appear to have powers vested in them by means of conditions attached to the RBS debt, what would the position of the Executive Directors be if either or both of the owners could raise sufficient to debt to repay RBS?

* Could they refuse to allow RBS to be repaid? Would RBS accept payment with the result of removing the current powers apparently held by the Executive Directors?

* So, the major question to be answered is are Barcap currently engaged with any prospective buyers or is it pursuing a re-financing or both?

The document is clearly very technical and for Spirit of Shankly members and supporters it is another in a long line of pieces of information that make little sense to the average supporter. We feel it is in supporters' best interests to be aware of this information, and we will endeavour to keep you fully updated of any further developments, along with our plans for action to follow on from recent developments.

The Spirit of Shankly are urging the senior management of LFC to engage with the supporters in using the supporters who are the only solution to this problem. We will be ensuring that those at LFC are fully aware of our views and we will be planning for all potential outcomes.

RBS need to bring this issue to a close as far as they can, without leaving a vacuum behind. They will not be forgiven, after bleeding the Club for two years or more, if they do not also take steps to secure Liverpool Football Club’s long term future.

The Spirit of Shankly has proposed action by supporters following its EGM on the 25th September 2010 .

In addition Spirit of Shankly-Share LiverpoolFC are seeking to engage in the sale process and this information merely underlines again that it is the supporters and only the supporters who can solve this problem.

We urge the Club, RBS and Barclays Capital to recognise our solution and work together to save our Club."
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CS10919> PLEASE BE ON NOTICE

any of you that intend to invest in G & H or ANY other "investor" who thinks he can exploit our global supporter/fan base again will be disappointed and the banks will lose , because

a) our global supporters network will boycott any bank or corporation's products who do so..
b) will boycott matches
c) will continue the "G & H not wanted anywhere " campaign , changing the target to banks or relevant corporations who back those who oppose us publicly
d) IF necessary cause the LIQUIDATION of the trading / holdings companies who oppose us
e) finally instruct barristers to obtain an INJUNCTION (anton pillar mareva ) to FREEZE the activities of the club pending a full investigation of previous owners & officers (alledged fraudulent) activity

ELSUN/BcR
CS/Montenegro

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"IF you find yourself being "Alien-hated" (Alienated) ..
scorned, abused or Under-rated...
they still may expect YOU to be "polite"...
FFS! - be a man, be true; stand and fight! ..."

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JSheehy> 16 September at 14:13
I would love to but I can't go, I live in Poland now, so not easy for me to get over.
I'm limited to following Roy and Leo's on the email front but I do talk to some journos and others when I can, bought the shirt, song the lot but really it's no substitute for direct action has been my long term belief.

CS>
Hiya John, yep..agreed, have you read the SoS agenda?
http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/Spirit-Of-Shankly-_-EGM-Agenda-25th-September-2010.html

I am planning to fly over from Montenegro..i f i can get to the meeting, is there any item you want "explained2 or questioned?

have you got your voting code yet?
Spirit Of Shankly - EGM Agenda 25th September 2010 – - Spirit Of Shankly Liverpool Supporters Union
www.spiritofshankly.com

JS>
Hi Chris,
didnt get my voting code yet.

I did float the idea to the wife of me flying over for the meeting but the missus would go mental if I did.

Read the EGM agenda, a lot of it is a few months too late in my opinion but better late than never.

One idea I did float to SOS and SaveLFC was idea of producing our own merchandise. Roma and Lazio Ultras produce their own and have their own shop, our own brand of clothing, gadgets, made by fans for fans.

It's a lot of work to setup something like that but I think it could be a powerful weapon if it became fashionable.

The viga guys made this idea happen, so I dont see why we cant do it on a wider scale.

It would provide income to develop SOS and become a focus to direct a boycott of club merchandise.

I am willing to work on this project and may try do it myself.
I'll try dig out the mail I sent Graham I think it was.

Just read on RAWK that the cancers might have got refinance with a US bank. If thats true its all out war for me, I will fly over for direct protest no matter what the wife says.

John

CS>

John, lets see what gets confirmed, I also made a lot of proposals to SOs/Slfc/save LFC ..which all got ignored or played down during the summer distractions & "wishing for saviours"

until I dropped out in 1995 I was a global businesss strategic manager of JVs, start ups & various M & A , confidential networking projects etc..

the last project I was about to complete (when I got meningitis) networked over 500 services with 300+ business partners in 45 countries and I am sure that I could steer an amount of that mutli-billion potential through a properly structured global Liverpool supporters distribution network, OUR products & services making money for our club *
...stuff the "investors" as one thing SoS-SL have aopted in the new agenda is the realisation that we should go fo r it alone..
if you come over next week we could make a start? (i feel there may well be a "spontaneous direct action" post EGM!)

*(if we the true supporters are owning it)

:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

about the "culture of capital"...

several years ago the city I consider my "hometown" was granted the status of (European) "Capital of Culture" (08) several billions of euros were pumped into the city..and gleaming new shops, conference centres & museums, cafes & night clubs now adorn the city sky-line...but what is the "culture" of LIVERPOOL?

for me, it is the people, the "scousers" I grew up with in the 60's ran with , hitched with, bunked with , fought for & the team I worshipped through the glory decade of the seventies tainted by disasters in the eighties...

in the "90's" ... the "Premiereship" brought the commercial fundementalism into english league football it was alien to Liverpool, the "Liverpool way" of Bill Shankly started being eaten away...

in recent years football HAS BEEN SO(U)LD OUT, & LIVERPOOL footbal club & especially the things that make Lfc UNIQUE, the supporters , and there are people abroad , all over the world, I know, who are as "fathful" to the Liverpool way, as those I stood with on the "Spion KOP" (a standing area where 25,000 or so true supporters stood and sung and urged, with all their heart & soul the team that plays in RED) are in extreme danger..

Liverpool is now more about the "Culture of CAPITAL"

The people of this world in general have lost their way, and I fear the "titanic" will be sunk, completely lost with "all souls" unless a stand is taken against the "culture of capital" and its ONE reason (there are many other "personal" reasons that should be clear to anyone who ever reads my blog) that the battle for LFC MUST be won, and that LIVERPOOL , the city, the people and the club becaome a TRUE "capital of (local & global) CULTURE"...

True Football supporters (not only REDs) worldwide must stand up, boycott & fight for supporter-ownership, because otherwise one day your kids wont be going to stadium , they will watch virtual footy on screen, with commercial breaks longer than the periods of play!..

this culture of football is THE essence of being a man ...and will be lost if we dont stop them and support our own..

_________________

....The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars....
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,

............'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth. !!!

Hiye Redmen, why not make a joke out of my proposals for the coming SoS EGM...?

Motions (resolutions)
I am ironic, but it came to mind when I received this invitation to the EGM, the scene from the (monty python) film "Life of Brian" ..when Brian is being crucified and Reg & the "committee" decide to hold a meeting...
my additions to the agenda come in the form of "motions" ;)
Motion 1.. This meeting comes at a time of real CRISIS that "ShareLiverpoolLFC" should co-join or we risk further time delay if proposals from this meeting have to presented to SLFC later on.
Motion 2. This meeting (or at least future meetings) should NOT take place in a bar/pub where alchohol is served if we want the World (potential members and our adversaries) to see us as a "serious" organisation capable of taking over club that may be valued as a global enterprise of around Billion euros.
Motion 3. That "we" (via SoS/SLFC) take out a winding up order against "kop football/holdings" (the company of G & H claiming to "own Lfc" ) to
- freeze payments to the banks (releasing income to be used for profitable CLUB development
- enforce a declaration of the "deal" between D. Moores & G & H to be declared null & void! (resulting in a repayment to D. Moores & the removal of G & H)
- the removal of C. Purlsow & C. Broughton who have not acted in our best interests or in the interests of the community.
(if the "bored" refuse an "anton pillar moreva injunction" will liquidate their companies and investigate all personal assets & dealings via the high courts!)
Motion 4. That "we" purchase 100% control of "LFC" from David Moores via a 10 year payment schedule. (no need for bank involvement as we have sufficient global income)
Motion 5 . The "debts" are resolved by a deal with the current "bankers" who gain 25% of the supporters shareholding company ; shares are FAIRLY obtained by Lfc supporters local & global on an equal basis. (this process to be voted on at the next EGM)
(all 5 motions are join & several)
as an add.
..to OPPOSE the "branding" by the current "bored" of Lfc of OUR LIVERBIRD!
I wonder (considering his recent testimonial puts him in the public eye) if Carra and the rest of current & ex-players have received a written invitation from SoS/SLfc to join "save Lfc" and our supporters buy out/in?

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BcR for CS>ray,
I ll answer this in the hope that your intent is in the best interest of Liverpool supporters worldwide .

why?

we have several different enttities ; IMO the enemy ; the "bankers" ; G & H , Purslow , Broughton, the media ; certain people in the Lfc office & the "fickle fans food fans"...(who think that we should be like chelski, citeh, the mancs , real madrid etc and continue to seek a financial "saviour")

..... (supposedly) on "our side" "SoS" Slfc "help Save Lfc" (RAWK ; or probably one man called "Fat scouser" ) the "Kop faithful, "Empire of the Kop" etc, etc ...(and "my group" ELSUN/KOP UNltd)...

WE NEED , a global support of 1 million plus to wake up...and be organised collectively

this cant be acheived whilst every single group "does their own thing" - I have worked in the business world 26 years (as a global business start-up , jv , M& A & networking manager) and in the "alternative" the last 15...(as volunteer/charity-organiser) ...the "enemy" (business world) has bad ideas - usually effeiciently managed, ..the "alternative" (good guys) have best ideas...BADLY organised..

and that the case with Lfc and the "alternatives"

often well meaning the numerous groups & committees are counter-productive and contradictive...

"SoS" is not looking like it represents the dynamic of Shanks..

"SLFC" does not "share"

"help save Lfc" ..(slogan stop - think - fight) ..is stopping, is thin king , but not "fighting" the enemy...

we need a "strategy" but more than that we need someone strong enough , like a Shanks or a Rafa to co-ordinate and negociate OUR occupation of Lfc , and I use the word because instead of being on the "outside looking in" WE ARE THE CLUB, whilst we can live without any of the busines people, the directors,managers , coaching staff , & the rest of the "office" players and so on the CLUB dont live with out the global supporters!

I AM a "rebel" but I put myself forward since 2 years because I have NO confidence in any ONE pulling all our "weapons" togethert to fight the necessary battles with an intelligent, courageous & dynamic strategy..

and I have said that I would stand aside and support any ONE who showed such capability, NO one has shown that and I am angry & sad that intsead of being honest various groups & people who should know better, (including ignoring my proposals to combine SoS & SLfc 2 years ago) prefer to "alien-hate" attack & exclude me, and I dare to question their motives..

OK?
ChriS
"
see also;
www.mypod-net.org/KOP_UNlimited.html
www.mypod-net.org/EuRED-KO-OP.html

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10918

Help Save Liverpool
FC wrote "Waffle as usual. You've achieved nothing. If you had, we'd all
know about it. You seem quite keen to tell me what you achieved 30 years ago
but are reluctant to discuss what you have achieved in the past 3 years. You
are a blagger mate and you were found out quite some time ago. As for
twisting your words....well if you are not proposing to lead, what the hell is
this? 'one day in the future you will realise that I indeed AM the one person
who could should "save Lfc Very modest and not the slightest bit arrogant
or self promoting. You took the 'logo' which was designed by by one of us.
It's not the words that matter, it's the fact that it is a Campaign logo,
designed by a Campaign member, taken from a Campaign page. Yet yopu don't want
to be associated with it? You are even advertising our Campaign T-Shirts on
your web page with the very same logo on them. Why you are trying to set up a
S.O.S branch even though you detest them and have no trust in anyone or anything
they do? Do you honestly believe they are going to allow you to set up a
branch? Maybe that's part of the master plan is it Chris. Just to see if
they'll allow you to do it. You don't want to really.....you are just proving
the point that they are scared of you and you can then show the world how you've
been 'Alien_Hated'?"

CS> <smile> wow, you really have " lost it "now, havent you , it looks like you are obsessed with "putting me down" U will twist everythig to suit your "arguement" ..pretty wound up by now huh?.."found out" ???? u are ridiculous! ...everything you write is now is just over th top in a vain attempt to "win" this discussion..I am NOT "modest" I know what I can and cant do..and I could co-ordinate better than anyone else (not difficult as no one is co-ordinating at all" )..ask Kit ...I bought 10 "We are the club" t-shirts for promoting "save Lfc" for our meetings in Skopje & Beograd..buts more than I want to tell you, I mentioned 30 years go because you stupidly put down my "Red beer" idea..as for "master plan" its you thats acting like adolf , and If you bothered to read my stuff instead of lookign for "holes" you would KNOW that whilst I RIGHTLY criticise SoS (who i do not"detest") SLfc & you (who I do detest <smile>) ...I support the Essence of a supporters Union , removal of G & H & "saving Lfc" and have said IF ..(a big if) they back up the "words" with progressive action then our "Balkan REDS" will agree an association with SoS ..but U gave up any interest in the truth from the begining and accuse me of doing the things you are doing yourself!..hypocrit!!!...
actually I think I had better stop being so "hard" on you, U are obviously overloaded , why dont U take a tablet and have an early night, do yourself and the rest of us a favour! :D

10917

Help Save Liverpool FC wrote
"If you've had success flogging bear mate.....well done to you. That's not what I asked though is it? How many bottles of Red beer have you sold?
The sum total of your success in actually doing something to rid the club of these people is absolutely zero isn't it.
Hence your reluctance to tell the world about it.Yet you have absolutely no idea what I or anyone else is involved in, what we have done or the successes , however small are. Yet you feel qualified to lecture us on how we have done nothing.A leader of men...don't make me laugh."

CS><SMILE> I did NOT sell BEAR! , I have no involvement with animals, even if thats YOUR "hobby" <smile> again I repeat for the upteenth time, I feel NO obligation whatsoever to answer your questions you set up your group to so-called "Save Lfc" the questions should be aimed at your chievements (or rather lack of them) than mine, you continue to hide behind the slogan..and there is no "sum2 until the "war" is over...you just continue to confirm your ignorance of whats going on , and in many ways the fact that SoS , SLfc & you & all the other facegroups Are NOT co-ordinated by someone who knows how to do it ..is confirmed by your ignorance..again my "history" is on the net, if YOu want to know, take the time to find out about what I have done , you lazy G*T...<smile> to quote RAWK! ...and again you should be in the media , because you twist my words, I didnt propose to lead, but in the absence of someone worthy I am quite capable of co-ordinating a proper strategy to SUCESSfully remove the "suits" and obtain fair supporters ownership for ALL true Liverpool supporters , worldwidem, but you & your colleagues are scared that your little "clique" would lose out!

Help Save Liverpool FC wrote>"By the way Chris......you are using one of our Campaign slogans as your profile picture.
Surely you don't want to be associated with us do you?"

CS>anon, you are digging a hole for yourself bigger than the hole G & H should have by now! ... "We are the CLUB" is not new ..its is not your "property" (you remind me of the board of Lfc claiming "ownership" of the Liverbird!) ....it is TRUE that WE are the CLUb, and thus I associate with that, not you & your collegues failures to motivate the "fans" effectively before now..

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CS>its naive to think a simple change of owners will be the best, the only way to stop us being damaged is for all the supporters & fans worldwide to prove they love Lfc...hand in pockets and support the buy in!

BcR for ChriS>"Graham, I wish I had got such a quick reaction when I asked this question of the "overseas" months ago! (cc: Sam & "admin" etc)& have received that packaged info months ago, but simply asked (several times) that "Balkan Reds" can make One payment for 25 members ( , a full payment per member x 25, not pay once ONLY for 25 members), because (i repeat) a) theres no pay-pal system on the SoS website for most Balkan states and b) a sinlgle bank transfer costs e20 !!! (more than the membership fee ..I ask if this can (should the "members" , currently part of the unofficial supporters club called "Balkan REDS" agree , (depending on my being their "voice" IF I can indeed get to the EGM for them) and vote for me to be their representative, it simple considering the distance that its desirable to "kill 2 birds" (during the EGM) & they cant understand why SoS isnt encouraging their particpation..(I can but then I know about the "politics" of the SoS committee)...its no wonder it seems easy to fight (each other) than co-operate"

----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Smith
To: ball_can_reds@mypod-net.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: BcR 10916 ELSUN Re: Spirit Of Shankly - EGM Agenda 25th September 2010
Chris,
Please see how a branch can be set up at branches-documents
If you follow that and have 25 or more SOS members then a branch can be formed. There is no provision for block votes by branches but on the basis that we are having online voting then any members do not have to be at the meeting.
Payment of subscriptions can be done in a number of cheap ways but the full subscription has to be paid.
If you follow the procedure then that is fine - the only issue we will have is to make certain (like we do with all branches) that all members are bona fide members.
Graham Smith
Solicitor /Keith Park Solicitors
Claughton House
39 Barrow Street
St Helens, Merseyside
WA10 1RX

BcR10916>Dear Sam & Graham,

thanks for the belated EGM and agenda contents

RAWK>Quote from: shanklyboy on Yesterday at 01:22:04 PM

There is that of course. Sometimes when there's only one oar, you can go round in circles.

There is also the possibility that it will be voted out by 1,000s of S.O.S members too, which is the downside or upside of a democratic voting system.

Graham Smith>There's no downside to a democratic system.

If it is voted down we will ask members to indicate what it is that they would like to see in its place and on we go.

CS>are we talking oars or whores?,I think there may be more than one of the latter dressed in suits bleeding Lfc & our members dry,

Graham, is wrong...
"Democracy" has a lot of "downsides" ...if the majority is wrong...as John S pointed out there are more "fans" of Lfc than (true) Supporters...

lets not forget that Adolf Hitler was voted into power within a "democratic" system urged on by the majority of germans??..and then , of course there is Hicks mate ...George W. Bush!

CS>MY initial reaction to the "agenda" is (apart from my various objections before) is that it projects a much more "dynamic" tone ...a good thing..(if backed up with real posotive & co-ordinated action)

(resolution 3) and I would want to be assured (on the record) that the "shares" held by committee/board members of the new SoS-SL / CU (next tuesday?) structure are clearly documented as held ON TRUST for the general membership of supporters/members...(and give no benefit to those member above their duties to SOS-SL/CU)

and

(an old complaint)

I have asked several times to SoS for a "special acceptance" for a membership of "Balkan REDS" we have at least 25 names to put forward as initial members (please understand that its too expensive for individual payments for SoS subscription, with an avergae income of less than 400 euros a month to pay double the cost of membership, merely to transfer the money.as pay-pal dont work in most Balkan states is unacceptable) - we asked that we (25) may pay in one go,...IF I attend , I may be the "voice" (vote) of our members and should I agree with the conclusion of the meeting would want to AGREE & conclude a branch membership IMMEDIATELY after the meeting.

are you open to that?

N.B this is NOT to say I agree with the agenda , per say, but we may be inclined to hold off instructing lawyers/brief pending the outcome of the EGM!

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10916

Help Save Liverpool FC You are lecturing me on spelling? Of course I'm lying........that's what everyone but you does isn't it? The whole world is a liar, a cheat,a fraud, unintelligent,corrupt etc, etc, etc.
Except ChriS SmiTH who spells his name like that to draw attention to it.

So educate me Chris. Tell me what successes you have achieved in your fight to rid the club of the evil that has pervailed.
We know we are not worthy of comparison to you; as you say so humbly "one day in
the future you will realise that I indeed AM the one person who could should "save Lfc

So lead us ChriS. Show us what we need to see.....all your GloBAl success to date.
Including the 'red beer' idea......we love that one. There must be 1000s of other success stories you can share. Please don't be shy or your usual modest self.

CS>I often make errors in net-typing, but I thought you were now not only lying but inventing new words..<smile>

please note its YOU thats not worthy, I dont know WHO YOU represent when you say "we" are not worthy! although in many cases you may be right about your colleagues !

like I stated before you can only ridicule any one else's ideas , you have none ..!
its SO petty to put down the idea of "Reds beer" ...especially as I moved 6 million bottles of booze in my first 2 years of business, from a zero start up 30 years ago! you fool!

thanks for confirming what I stated before...BTW - my education cost me millions , so , as you NEED educating, either the time to read my stuff PROPERLY...its virtually all there on the web or pay for it ..with years , time & sacrifice...you have told me you dont believe i am a leader , I wouldnt lead you, unless I hade a knife-proof jacket ...so sorry you will have to "do it yourself..CU , Next Tuesday!...

"IF you find yourself being "Alien-hated" (Alienated) ..
scorned, abused or Under-rated...
they still may expect YOU to be "polite"...
FFS! - be a man, be true; stand and fight! ..."

<SMILE>

10916Help Save Liverpool FC wrote>"So the short version of what you have babbled
on about is that is you have done absolutely nothing?That you have no successes.
I'm sure we'd hear all about them if you did.<All there is amongst these
GlobAL ReDs or however way you write it....is you.<>I've read all of your
stuff Chris and have absolutely no desire to subject myself to any more
visits.<>What sums you up in all of this is this comment.<>"one day in
the future you will realise that I indeed AM the one person who could
should "save Lfc" <>You need some serious psychistric help, you really
do."

CS> <SMILE>I am a "short version" (only 5ft 8!) ...;) "psychistric" ????...whats that?..you surely need "psyCHRIStic" help, anon, you are lying...because theres NO way you spent the time to read "all my stuff.".because if you had you would know SOMEthing about what I have achieved in my life, you should get a job in the media, because all you do is try to pick holes in someone that actually DOes instead of "chats" about the problems , you have no ability to state what "sums " ANYone up...typical of the people that IGNORED my public letter almost 2 years ago to start co-operation between SoS & SLfc to "save Lfc" and typical of the "local clique" that refused since then my continual open & honest offer of free & full time support to solve the problems that now reach "crisis point" yes, its people like you that are as much to blame as Moores, G & H , Purslow & Broughton, shame on you!_________________
RB>

10916

to john shelley> agreed that no intelligent supporter can trust the "office"...but WE are to blame for swallowing it..the summers gone and this group, SoS, Slfc & all the various groups go it alone..have faile to "fight on all fronts" ..why ?..only "Fat scouser" on RAWK seems to have the courage to tell the truth..

do we deserve anything after the apathy of the last 2 years ?..watching someone raoe our club is like standing and complaining by whilst someone rapes your sister..

I ll answer this in the hope that your intent is in the best interest of Liverpool supporters worldwide .

why have we allowed so much to be done without more than "token" rseistance?

..... (supposedly) on "our side" "SoS" Slfc "help Save Lfc" (RAWK ; or probably one man called "Fat scouser" ) the "Kop faithful, "Empire of the Kop" etc, etc ...(and "my group" ELSUN/KOP UNltd)...

WE NEED , a global support of 1 million plus to wake up...and be organised collectively

and that the case with Lfc and the "alternatives"

often well meaning the numerous groups & committees are counter-productive and contradictive...

"SoS" is not looking like it represents the dynamic of Shanks..

"SLFC" does not "share"

"help save Lfc" ..(slogan stop - think - fight) ..is stopping, is thin king , but not "fighting" the enemy...

and I have said that I would stand aside and support any ONE who showed such capability, ...NO one has shown that and I am angry & sad that instead of being honest various groups & people who should know better, (including ignoring my proposals to combine SoS & SLfc 2 years ago) prefer to "alien-hate" attack & exclude me, and I dare to question their motives..
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Igor C...>well big part of football is about ''discussions'' and stuff like that :D it would be boring if we all had the same opinion :)
thanks for the wishes, all the best to you too

CS>keep on "discussing" too many people dont know how to "conflict" without insult, and cant debate, they only "mass-debate" ;)
tell me soon of you come to Buch (via beograd)?

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John>Kenny wasnt appointed basically because he would have had too much power given our love and support for the man. This would have made the cost cutting of the board very difficult for Purslow and co.

Can you imagine the position Kenny would have been in? He could not have sanctioned mote cost cutting that would see us fall further behind.

So basically it was a power issue, Purslow is still the self appointed king.

#
ChriS SmiTH then why dont we rebel?? if, we are the club!
#
John Sheehy> Damn good question. The answer is that there is a big difference between a Liverpool fan and a Liverpool supporter.

We have more fans than supporters.

Geography has probably stopped me from getting into trouble lol but if there is direct action, I would try fly over for that.

__________________

John>You make a lot of good points Chris.
I especially agree that all these campaigns need a figure head to lead them.
For us ordinary fans, thats not so easy as we have jobs, wives, kids, mortgages.

I thought some high profile fans and ex-players were approached about this but I guess none of them are willing to make a sacrifice to do this.

How much do some of them really love the club, I ask myself.

CS>John , I am far from "popular" because I question the "committees" or whether the "supporters buy out/in" has been properly "sold" (explained) to players, explayers or fans,.BUT... the more I argue that we need a proper co-ordinated strategy, the more I wonder whether the majority of "fans" even deserve Lfc to be "saved".

I kep telling them, I dont need to be the "front man" but as a former "strategist" I DO know how to co-ordinate a "battle" of this nature..

_______________________________________________________

Help Save Liverpool FC wrote<>"You are a real rebel Chris.>Receiving e-mail
notifications is one thing, however saying 'bye-bye' then logging on to
Facebook, seeking out the thread and posting is another..>As I say..it's
all about the attention isn't it? Are you sure you are ...a grown man, as
your 'Ha,ha,ha' seems to suggest someone quite young>Have you ever read the
story of Brer Rabbit Chris?"

CS>thanks for the compliment , Mr anon! , I am really pleased to be recognised as a "Rebel" when far too many people here & globally are lemming-like , still "buying tickets to the titanic"?...<smile> i said "bye" thinking U might still have enough sense to stop trying to "win" this "exchange of ideas" .(funny how YOU "react" within minutes of my posting a comment , is it you thats "addicted" maybe "obsessing" with "putting down the rebellion" ???? <smile> oh .yeh one thing you have got right that I have been sucked into the "internet jargon" by reading too many of the "fickle fast-food fans" BS! ..on RAWK & various FB & other "forums" ...
no I am NOT sure that I am a "grown man" ..I am really a 15 year old kid..but still would have more nouse than you will ever have!....you like to quote a "Rabbit" (significant that you chose an AMERICAN story?) but shouldnt your hero be a chicken?...to help sort you & your colleagues at RAWK , SoS & SLFC out, here is some "inspiration" you should take note of:-

- "Vision without Action is merely a dream. Action without Vision is passing the time. Vision with Action can change the world!"
- "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter" - M L King
- "Do not be too timid and squeamish about your actions. All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. What if they are a little coarse, and you may get your coat soiled or torn? What if you do fail, and get fairly rolled in the dirt once or twice. Up again, you shall never be so afraid of a tumble" - Ralph Waldo Emerson
- "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go"-Elliot
-"To be yourself, in a world that tries, night & day, to make you just like everybody else -is to fight the greatest battle there ever is to fight & never stop fighting"- Cummings
"

10912

HSL>Censorship?
You have been given every opportunity to have your say Chris. Nobody has prevented that at all.
This is about putting private coversations you have had into the public domain.
If you are doing that with the permission of the other ...party involved then there's no problem.
Do you have their permission or do you honestly believe it's purely your decision to make?
As I said, if you continue to do this without permission you will most definately be banned from here.
Maybe that's what you are looking for as you seem to get banned from everywhere you go.
Playing the victim and the martyr seems to suit your agenda.

CS> ok "mr anon" ...I will not be "silenced" whether you choose to ban me or not, its YOu thats carried away with his own importance...I will do what I must with or without you..and yes, when its a case of posting items relevant to the theme "help save Lfc" (when others post trival BS on here ..!) I will do so until you "ban me" ..i really couldnt care less what you do because you already identified YOUR "agenda" ..its called apathy!

p.s as you (and the SoS solicitor) are so naive about such matters, I will explain ; that ANYone who write to me about LFC, without previously MUTUALLY agreeing a "confidentiality agreement" cannot then later cry that the content is not "in the public interest"
& ;)
"I would never want to belong to a club that allows someone like me to be a member" (groucho) ;) bye bye!

10911

BcR>from ChriS SMITH (SoS member 970) 10911>
Graham,
and I have made it quite clear that YOU, a solicitor,. is in contradiction tot the official emailing from the "secretary" who simply asked all members for additions to the agenda, these "motions" can be added to the agenda as proposed additions to said agenda (as items for "discussion") if you & "the committee" so choose - your / SoS committe deliberate exclusion of ANY proposal & actions I have suggested , offered proposed since the formation of SoS is a deliberate act of prejudice (against myself and other "ooTs" ) and I will be taking appropriate action against those concerned - its now on record, and I do not wish to have any further discussions on this matter as it is continual proof that i was correct in doubting the true intentions of the committee of "SoS" and my first objection should I attend the EGM will be to oppose your use of the name "Spirit of Shankly" because you insult his memory by your (lack of) actions!
..."spirit of apathy" would be appropriate!

Balkan REDS
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Smith
To: ball_can_reds@mypod-net.org
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 6:17 PM
Subject: RE: BcR 10910 ELSUN Re: BcR 10910 Re: 10908 Sam (soS) MYKOP 10907 ELSUN/SoS(member 970) -SLFC
Chris,
I have made the position clear - proposed and seconded resolutions will go on to the agenda. Resolutions without that will not go on.
Graham Smith
Solicitor

CS> helpsaveLfc?censorship? thanks !...you act just like the "suits" I make internet discussion (which are only private IF I agree them to be so) open for EVERYone to read, thats best way to stop major or minor prejudice from winning........U are as bad as the" bored" of LFC who keep things hidden and discussions private, and forec out anyone who questions the status quo publicly (like Rafa did) ...you make the same mistake as SoS/SLfc who are also SUPPOSED to act on behalf of ALL members , oh, please BAN me ...you just prove my point --"exclusion" of your combatant is the act of a limited coward and the weapon of a dictator.this is like "monty python on the titanic "...so go ahead....

10910

Graham, I make the point AGAIN that the emailing from the SoS secretary INVITED all members to add to the agenda, which I have CLEARLY done, if you omitt those items then it will be permanently regretted by you, the Union by the membership, any one of you can add these proposals to the agenda THEN vote on each one IF there is a seconder at the meeting..to exclude them completely is "out of order"
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Smith
To: ball_can_reds@mypod-net.org
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: BcR 10910 ELSUN Re: BcR 10910 Re: 10908 Sam (soS) MYKOP 10907 ELSUN/SoS(member 970) -SLFC
Chris,
As you will have seen from previous meetings all formal resolutions of the type you wish to put have a proposer and seconder, you will see that the proposals coming from the Committee on the agenda coming out have two people next to them (a proposer and a seconder).
I have made it quite clear that any proposal you wish to put will be put on the agenda, discussed and debated but any proposals need a seconder. I will make this point at the meeting as well.
Feel free to submit your proposals accordingly by Sunday evening 7.00pm (UK time), after that I will not be accepting any further resolutions.
Graham Smith Solicitor
Keith Park Solicitors
www.kpsolicitors.com

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help save Lfc>
That's right Chris, I said better qualified than you and I stand by that. How is that spin?
Does your arrogance know no bounds?
As I said, you are quick to call other people arrogant yet you seem to think that you are the only person on God's... Earth qualified to understand or implement your little scheme.
It was you who brought S.O.S and Slfc into this not I.You assume incorrectly that I am am representing them. Nothing could be further from the truth, so why you want to continue to rant away about them , it would be better if you could find someone who is involved in either organisation at an organisational level, rather than someone who couldn't care less what your case against them is.

I have no lack of understanding as you call it. You know absolutely nothing about me, my experience or my qualifications. You prefer to assume all manner of things and then attack when someone raises an a point.
You are no leader of men so it's refreshing that you are prepared not to lead this yourself, as I believe that like all of your other schemes, your involvement is what's preventing people from getting past the points you make.Your self obsessed rhetoric merely highlights that. You can call it a 'defensive' style if that makes you happy. I prefer to call it paranoia.

What Ideas are we 'having difficulty getting off the ground' Chris? I'd love to hear all about them. Remember though..we are not S.O.S or Slfc. So please expand on these ideas that have failed.
Then you can list your own.

Your calling me 'lad', 'young man' and 'son' are all very flattering, but in all honesty such term merely serve to highlight your ignorance yet again.
That is unless you have a 51 year old son.

Your comments about Shankly and Benitez abd how 'we' are repeating the mistake would be laughable if they wern't so ill-informed and insulting. They do however once again show little evidence of you having a modicum of understanding of the people you are making comments about.

As for me not achieving a fraction of what you have done with your life. Again, you know that much about me to make a comparison.
You seem to know an awful lot about me Chris. Is that why you state I have never won an argument with you and that I'm trying to exclude you.?
How do you work that out? Have we ever spoken before? You are seriously delusional my friend.

I'd suggest you take a break and have a rethink as you are slowly making yourself appear a joke figure that nobody will ever take seriously.

CS>
of course you change your position to suit...and resent being challenged.."you" are "anonymous" (as you hide behind the "help save Liverpool Fc ) so you can "play moderator" and thus decide what is censored...are making the same mistake..you prefer to twist my words, without reading what you already wrote in this thread..and attack "my ideas" ..I am glad you appreciate being called "lad" ...its a reflection of your naivety when deciding that someone else (on OUR side) is better qualified than I am...in negociating (hostile) M & A ...and as for SoS?SLfc ...well if the "cap fits wear it" if you respond like them?

I can at least state that "my little scheme" is in the absolute interest of ALL Liverpool supporters worldwide..whilst all you have is "blocking tactics" and no productive solution...where is the creativity?

I dont care what the majority thinks..if I make them laugh..then enjoy it...I chose the "monty python" pics & quotes because the more I see of the current situation & reaction of people to intelligence , like a herd who follow the one with the media control , its all a sick joke..but dont feel like laughing much, especially when it destroys the few things I value , and enjoyed as an essential part of my life for more than 40 years//.and still fight for, against the odds,and against naivity and modern fickle fans ignorance..maybe its better for me to fail and for Lfc to crumble before more damage is done to my memories..

..and i feel in some way sorry, for the people who "alien-hate" anyone who dares challenge them...who get caught up in the "process" of defending their stance (however wrong they may be)

any one who had actually done something worthwhile knows how hard it is to stand up against the crowd and would not ridicule the challenge, but so many limited people (even those who claim to be "active for the good") resent the challenge..and in fact become more negative than the "obvious enemy" ...
<SMILE>

_________________

CS>
not surprisingly, Graham SMITH you (a solicitor!???) contradict the email sent out by the SoS secretary, its a farce! - the SoS EGM is as INVALID as G & H, Purslow , Broughton and the other cowboys presenting themselves in the name of Lfc
in that emailing to members there was no mention of a "seconder" required, thus I hereby challenge the validity of the Union itself , its constitution and the protocoll of the EGM.
should be an interesting date !!!
----- Original Message ----- o
From: Graham Smith
To: ball_can_reds@mypod-net.org
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: BcR 10910 Re: 10908 Sam (soS) MYKOP 10907 ELSUN/SoS(member 970) -SLFC
Chris,
As I have said - send me your resolutions with another member seconding them and they will go on the agenda. I will say again, any member making a proposal that is properly seconded gets their proposal heard.
I'll need them by Saturday evening.
Graham Smith
Solicitor

10909

ChriS SMITH (member 970)
"Balkan REDS" /Kop UNltd
EuRED Liverpool (overseas) Supporters UNION Network
s47-Tolshi, 81102 Podgorica
MONTENEGRO

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(Help Save lfc)
"Have you ever thought that this attitude is the one constant that prevents you from getting any of your many ideas off the ground?"

CS>son, if you achieve a fraction of the things I have done with your life, then you can claim that you have t...ruly lived! <smile>

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http://www.facebook.com/RBSBlackMonday

Help save Lfc>
I wouldn't suggest any of the people you have named are better qualified Chris. Only you know why you think I would.
However I don't know every single person involved in Slfc or S.O.S as you seem to think you do.
However I find it ironic that you feel that you are better qualified than anyone else yet seem to think that suggesting you are not is arrogant.

I also find it amusing that you find it so easy to make assumptions about my qualifications to understand your comments.
It would never cross your mind to think that I am as disagreeing with you seems to be the deciding factor in anyones qualifications, understanding or comprehension.

It seems to be a common theme with you to take an aggressive stance against anyone who doesn't agree fully with you.
Have you ever thought that this attitude is the one constant that prevents you from getting any of your many ideas off the ground?

Maybe that is the trait of a the 'dynamic' negotiator you seem to see yourelf as.

CS>
YOU said "better qualified " ...than me!..so dont try the "spin" with me lad!

all the SoS/SLfc committee members stated their "CV" at the time of appointment , its public knowledge that none have global JV , M & A (hostile) experience, just like many people had a go at Rafa for having confidence in himself and not kissing the ar*e of the "suits" I dont expect U to be any different than most people who have never negociated with the the sort of "sharks" WE are up against..the problem is that an element of jealousy & naivety means that you & the "committee" would rather do down my "ideas" than recognise their value

..I have said many times that I dont have to be the one that applies them but what is sure is that NO one has taken charge and opposed the "suits" in a way that needs to be done..and you resent me pointing out the truth...the sos meeting on 25 september is already too weak..

- in a pub! ..the most important ever meeting of LFc supporters ..in a (big ) pub..?
..SoS tell people "dont worry we will be finished by 13.30! "- we should start early to ensure that all the motions (whether or not mine are included) about G & H Purslow & Broughton, the bankers - the supporters ownership, the Liverbird..these are issues to be resolved in depth - not "rushed" inside 2 hrs ...
- that this meeting should be a joint meeting with Slfc

I have done everything in the best interests of ALL Liverpool supporters worldwide, not just in LP..I dont have to justify myself..I offered my time freely - that received derision & ignorance in reply..when one is constantly "excluded " then 2 things happen

a) a defensive "style" develops
b) a question against the motives of those doing the excluding..

you have never succesfully won an arguement against me...your answer instead is to exclude me...and do you think that "helps" LFC?

imagine what I can do If I am in conflict with "them" instead of you, young man!

p.s., son, ..the sort of "hard ball" negociation between the Supporters against kop football , the bankers & the board of Lfc requires a certain mentality ...your attitude reminds me of the lack of understanding, ironically that people had of Shanks..and Rafa..both badly treated by Lfc .(and by association many people in Lp) ..you repeat the mistake..and i am sick of YOUr limited vision , whilst some people are using "spirit of shankly" on banners have no comprehension of that fighting SPIRIT !

you just cant take the truth!

10908

Van: <ball_can_reds@mypod-net.org>
Aan: "Spirit of Shankly" <admin@spiritofshankly.com>;
CC: <eured; <zreds.ze; "Graham Smith" < <secretary@spiritofshankly.com>
Onderwerp: 10908 Sam (soS) MYKOP 10907 ELSUN/SoS(member 970) -SLFC
Datum: 08 September 2010 09:40

BcR>for Chris SMITH.(member 970)>Sam,

you applied for this " job ", you were (alledgedly) voted into it, at your own request!???
"
I have worked in voluntary projects & charitable organisations since 1995 , "full time" for NO reward,..(probably none of the people I help or support would wish to know why I dont fulfill my role, should I ever fail them)

....HOWEVER .I have said BEFORE that I find it VERY difficult to SYMPATHISE with SoS/SLfc committee members failure to deal with the "work load" (and the "suits" ) when repeated offfers of assistance and support from me have been refused, ridiculed &/or ignored , by you, your chairman or your "colleagues"...

....being "volunteer" does NOt excuse anyone from challenge or criticism ESPECIALLY as these matters are VITAL to over a million people Worldwide and concerns an enterprise valued in excess of a billion..

a) please IDENTIFY exactly anything I have said which is WRONG! ? (please state which words are insulting EXACTLY!)

b) my complaints are addressed to SoS ..and challenge the collective committee - (and Graham for contradicting the email sent to members ...."
----- Original Message ----- The meeting will update members on a number of key issues - mainly supporter ownership, the Share LiverpoolFC agreement (which will need to be ratified by members), new branches and any information we have about the sale process. In addition members can add items to the agenda that will be sent out shortly.Please make every effort to attend - any additional items to be considered for the agenda should be sent to secretary@spiritofshankly.com.")

thanks to the negative & contradictive replies from Graham and your self , rejecting PROPER "additions to the agenda" (motions/ resolutions) as REQUESTED in your emailing -IF I bother to come several 1000's of KM to the meeting to represent my self and members of E.L.S.U.N within my own budget, it seems it may well be to oppose the committee with a vote of "no confidence" because the "atmosphere" & content of this meeting is too light.
You are concerned within your notice of finishing by 13.30 - a meeting which surely is the last before the october "situation" could and should be one to formulate a full & precise strategy to confront , contain and control the club..but the committee seems to have little faith in itself or in its co-operation with SLfc..

LFC (whoever they are these days) have claimed ownership of the LIVERBIRD, this should be OPPOSED by supporters via SoS/SLfc ... I dare say this also will be "missed" in your "agenda"

I make it quite clear that will NEVER apologise to ANYone for fighting for the BEST interests of members worldwide and the essence of Liverpool footbal club which is not only in danger but likely to disappear!

CS/E.L.S.U.N
Montenegro

From: Spirit of Shankly
To: ball_can_reds@mypod-net.org
Cc: secretary@spiritofshankly.com ; Graham Smith ; zreds.ze ; eured
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [SPAM] MYKOP 10907 ELSUN/SoS(member 970) -SLFC

Chris,

I'm afraid that I can no longer respond to your emails. I have tried in all communication to remain civil but you continually accuse me of things which are untrue and extremely offensive. I am not commenting on anyone's decision to consume or not consume alcohol. That is a matter of individual choice.

I work for the SOS on a voluntary basis. I am a single mother and have been for 15 years and I work full time. I do the very best that I can in the time I have and I find your continual derogatory comments and insinuations extremely offensive. I have always tried to offer you an explanation for the decisions we have taken but you continually throw this back at me (and Graham) by making it personal towards yourself which it clearly is not.

As stated above I cannot and will not be responding to your emails again unless an apology is forthcoming.

Regards

Sam
SOS

10907

bit late Woy telling us what we already knew..

and its naive for fans to think that any "rich guys" are not gonna try to exploit our money & our club..its a disgrace that supporters havent woken up to the buy out/in by SoS/SLfc..with a million fans + worldwide we are more than capable of raising all the funds..but the "spin" of the Lfc "office" , the media & the apathy of fans is a difficult hurdle to get over..
..of course it needs a dynamic negociator with experience of such "conflicts" ...but its basicaly simple..
to "clean LFC" ...

- the sale by Moores to ...G & H was "invalid" & must be reversed..via a high court injunction..
- it gets cancelled and repaid (if moores refuses then what he recently said about his "mistake" is BS!
- the repayments to "bankers" is frozen -
- we acquire 100% Lfc (we being GLOBAL reds supporters
- we neutral ise the debts by giving the bankers 25% of the shares.
if WE are the club, then its time WE showed we are WORTHY of it and took charge!!...

(help save LP)
Help Save Liverpool FC What has David Moores got to do with anything Chris?

CS>er.."alledgedly " sold control to G & H?...do yourself a favour and read all of the motions to see the process..of course it needs a dynamic negociator with experience of such "conflicts" ...but its basicaly simple..
- the sale by Moores to ...G & H was "invalid"
- it gets cancelled and repaid (if moores refuses then what he recently said about his "mistake" is BS!
- the repayments to "bankers" is frozen -
- we acquire 100% Lfc (we being GLOBAL reds supporters
- we neutral ise the debts by giving the bankers 25% of the shares.
if WE are the club, then its time WE showed we are WORTHY of it and took charge!!...

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BcR> from ChriS SMITH 10907>
"I repeat it is NOT a proper response to serious motions...2 of which refer to the meeting structure itself - its too late (and IMO deliberately devisice) to refuse to include these items on the agenda - I criticise the committee based on your history of ignoring valid proposals and thus contributing to the damage done to Lfc & our members - thus making you joint & severally culpable with the obviously "guilty" parties
the message sent out to all members "The meeting will update members on a number of key issues - mainly supporter ownership, the Share LiverpoolFC agreement (which will need to be ratified by members), new branches and any information we have about the sale process. In addition members can add items to the agenda that will be sent out shortly.Please make every effort to attend - any additional items to be considered for the agenda should be sent to secretary@spiritofshankly.com."
- SAM ,, you should have added "BUT WE WONT INCLUDE VALID MOTIONS FROM MEMBERS THAT WE DONT LIKE" ///.....
in the middle of a crowded pub, pumped with alchohol, is NOT the way to "formulate" an effective agenda for an enterprise valued at a Billion euros..affecting a million plus people worlwide.....thats the way a herd "shouting the loudest" mentality fails to progress intelligently ..and is one of the reasons the "sharks" have been able to continue without your effective opposition...
your refusal is noted !!!! and recorded!
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Smith
To: ball_can_reds@mypod-net.org
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: Member 970 Re: Spirit Of Shankly EGM - Saturday 25th September
Chris,
I will be publishing the agenda shortly once everyone has had the chance to put forward their views. There are a few similar style proposals that I will be putting together. I suggest you await the full agenda before criticising something that has not yet happened.
In addition anything not on the agenda can be raised in any other business by any member present.
Graham Smith
Solicitor
Keith Park Solicitors

10906

CS>
Graham,
thanks
, but as a SOLICITOR you know this is not a proper response, I am a piad up member and these are proper motions "from the floor"
and are NOT to be left for "chance" to be "mostly heard as part of discussion" ..its this sort of part-timer amateurish application that has allowed the sharks to get away with so much damage to LFC..
either this is a properly contituted UNIOn or it is NOt, and a proper EGM or not..with appropriate protocoll or not..MARK my words..I wont sit back whilst we lose more time , whilst they ruin the club the committees of SoS & SLFC stand by and chat, and 100+k disappears from the club daily..
I INSIST, formally , that these motions are included in the EGM AGENDA!
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Smith
To: ball_can_reds@mypod-net.org
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: Member 970 Re: Spirit Of Shankly EGM - Saturday 25th September
Chris,
Thanks for those suggestions - most of what you have raised will form part of the discussion on the day and reports from the Committee to the membership.
Graham Smith
Solicitor
Keith Park Solicitors

From: ball_can_reds@mypod-net.org [mailto:ball_can_reds@mypod-net.org]
Sent: 06 September 2010 08:05
To: admin@spiritofshankly.com
Cc: eured; zreds; secretary@spiritofshankly.com
Subject: Member 970 Re: Spirit Of Shankly EGM - Saturday 25th September

10906S0S/Slfc
Dear Sam,
I am ironic, but it came to mind when I received this invitation to the EGM, the scene from the (monty python) film "Life of Brian" ..when Brian is being crucified and Reg & the "committee" decide to hold a meeting...
my additions to the agenda come in the form of "motions" ;)
Motion 1.. This meeting comes at a time of real CRISIS that "ShareLiverpoolLFC" should co-join or we risk further time delay if proposals from this meeting have to presented to SLFC later on.
Motion 2. This meeting (or at least future meetings) should NOT take place in a bar/pub where alchohol is served if we want the World (potential members and our adversaries) to see us as a "serious" organisation capable of taking over club that may be valued as a global enterprise of around Billion euros.
Motion 3. That "we" (via SoS/SLFC) take out a winding up order against "kop football/holdings" (the company of G & H claiming to "own Lfc" ) to
- freeze payments to the banks (releasing income to be used for profitable CLUB development
- enforce a declaration of the "deal" between D. Moores & G & H to be declared null & void! (resulting in a repayment to D. Moores & the removal of G & H)
- the removal of C. Purlsow & C. Broughton who have not acted in our best interests or in the interests of the community.
(if the "bored" refuse an "anton pillar moreva injunction" will liquidate their companies and investigate all personal assets & dealings via the high courts!)
Motion 4. That "we" purchase 100% control of "LFC" from David Moores via a 10 year payment schedule. (no need for bank involvement as we have sufficient global income)
Motion 5 . The "debts" are resolved by a deal with the current "bankers" who gain 25% of the supporters shareholding company ; shares are FAIRLY obtained by Lfc supporters local & global on an equal basis. (this process to be voted on at the next EGM)
(all 5 motions are join & several)
as an add..
I wonder (considering his recent testimonial puts him in the public eye) if Carra and the rest of current & ex-players have received a written invitation from SoS/SLfc to join "save Lfc" and our supporters buy out/in?
ChriS SMITH (member 970)
"Balkan REDS"
EuRED Liverpool (overseas) SUPPORTERS UNION Network
S47, Toloshi,
81102 Podgorica
MONTENEGRO
email; ball_can_reds@mypod-net.org
KOP_UNlimited.html
EuRED-KO-OP
----- Original Message -----
From: Spirit Of Shankly
To: ball_can_reds@mypod-net.org
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: Spirit Of Shankly EGM - Saturday 25th September
Please see details of our EGM on Saturday 25th September on the link below:
http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/Spirit-Of-Shankly-EGM-_-Saturday-25th-September.html
Spirit of Shankly
Keith Park Solicitors. Telephone: 01744-636000 Fax: 01744-744000
Keith Park Solicitors. Authorised and regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. ID:330690

10904

Lfc..is "up" I fear for the future, with G & H, broughton & Purslow ruining the club, bit by bit, the lack of action by SoS, and the sheer stupidity of many "fans" who swallow the "spin" coming out of Anfield & the media BS! ...40+ years of Liverpool support & memories damaged ...apart from that I am great!

this is what I hope..

LIVERPOOL supporters make a threat to LFC, to wind-up "Kop football" (G & H company) ...re-launch a "new Lfc" , with a high court injunction that forces G & H to repay Moores..

then WE make a 10 year purchase arrangement to transfer 100% of shares into the names of the true REds supporters (worldwide) and then trade off the banks by given them 25-30 % of the shares..thus removing the debt..

out go all the current board and we employ effective managers on & off the firled that will PROFIT from having a million + fans worldwide instead of being exploited by another version of G & H..

but who listens , people have been dumbed down by apathy & lack of ambition,

"Spirit of Shankly" ???. I seem to be the only one banking that drum!

rant over!

sorry you asked <smile> ?4

10901

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI-388Bag-Q

(Shanks)

CS> great man, beyond question, treated badly by Lfc - & the same negativity lives in the Lfc "office" today...unfortunately despite our unions name, no-one in LP has really shown the true "Spirit of Shankly" , we are in a war with sharks and need to FIGHT for the club we love , yet sometimes when I look at the apathy & comments of some "fans" I wonder f they are worth fighting for!

after so many injuries & failure to play for Lfc (as his spanish team won euro 08 & WC10) Torres should be withdrawn (or withdraw himself) from the spanish squad...& Lfc "fans" may now just be wakign up to the "hell" that they themselves caused "post-Rafa"...NOW you REALLY have something to moan about!

(CS>Igor C)

10831CS>We cant "move on" mate, because his REMOVAL is part of a deeper problem of managment of the whole club, players transfers are only part of it..
you also have to understand the financial realisty that it is STUPID toe xpect a "rich guy" to buy our club and then PROTECT the things that make OUR club unique..WE (True REds ) dont want to be another man city or chelski or real madrid..We are LIVERPOOL and as such have the power (i f fans worldwide like you could only understand ) to own our club..
Aquilani was NOT bought as a straight replacement, as Rafa was shifting responsibility to the other midfielders, the "mistake" was that all our players were either injured or off form, and only "God" could have then produced a title - winning team...

dont blame Lucas - THREE of the (many) "main reasons" was that
a) Stevie had a bad season (he played better for eng-er-land than us
b) Torres got injuured playing for Spain and missed too many matches
c) Carra was also "off form" at the beginning (which added to Agger not starting the season, Skrtel being injured, Fabio being inured, Arbeloa going to madrid and Johnson being new meant our defence was in tatters for the first half of the season, which meant our team confidence also was damaged beyond repair by xmas..

CS>(PAUL)well PAUL< its up to YOU too, insnt it?..to avoid being another "lazy" ffffan ..read between the lines, KNOW your facts (not copy others)
and learn how to promote the image & not join the damage done to our unique status by others (media & f***ing fast-food fickle (facebook) "fans" ?????

10830

CS>I dont think Meireles is as good as Aquilani and I dont think we needed to sign another "defensive midfielder" .. Purslow should not be signing players, he is a c*nt and he, G & H & broughton hav e to go...
selling nemeth & dalli valle is also wrong..
Hodgson is doing all the thing everyone complained about last season

- rotation
- not playing aquilani ( now gone , cole preferred)
- 2 holding midfuielders at home etc etc

but no one tells the truth!

Igor C>
-i dont think aqua was made for premiership and if you ask me he was rafa's biggest mistake.
-i think raul is built for the english way of playing and can score goals too, what we really need from our midfield, also from what i've seen his passing is great.
-rotation is part of the football and everyone does it, and only those that dont understand the game today are against rotation.
-i never thought of lucas as a holding midfilder, he just sucks at going foward
- i totaly agree those bastards have to go as soon as posible, but the world is still turning and other teams are progressing while they are in charge of our team, and we need some players one way or another.
- i too think rafa is a great manager and has done a great service to this club, but he's gone now and he tryed to take players from our team, so not much loyalty there...

CS>
didnt ask you, Igor ...<smile>..you cant be more wrong , mate!
dont understand your point , as Aqua looked fit to get rid of him now and replace him with an ageing Cole , is bad business ,
...havent noticed much of raul before, never impressed me ! as u said its not premiereship , so why should I think he will be "special" ..Purslow is totally in control of all transfer & offloading youth and buying ageing players...
..Rafa dont owe Lfc a thing...!!! he showed his loyalty 24/7 and invested his own money in the community during the 5 years..had a another 4 years on his contract and they forced him out (even when he was on holiday) ..the board are cheats & liars (namely led by Purlow & broughton) ..and RAFA has NOT tried to sign anyone from us, its the media "spin"...
my point is that the media & fffffans forgive woy for what they moaned about with Rafa, hypocrits!!!

we are fooling ourselves if we think this is "progress"...

borna > traitor!

CS>(ref Mascherano)
no,you are wrong.. he was honest about why he wanted to leave! !, you cant reallycondemn masch for leaving a club where they forced Rafa out (who was $ years from the end of HIS contract!) G & H are the owners, Purslow trades the players , Broughton ruins our future and hodgson says what hes told...if all the players gave 100 on the field like Masch does, we would have won the leagiue last season..
you let the media & fickle fast food fans manipulate you!! theya re liars & cheats..
dont be fooled , the media & the backstabbing suits want you to hate departing players and forget what THEY are doing to OUr club, wake UP Borna!

10827

romillas >idiots...

CS>?"idiots" are the "fans" who publicly insult OUR players whatever your opinion keep it constructive..there are enough enemies without having banal criticism from within!
any "fan" who insults one of our players should go and follow someone ...else because they cant be TRUE REDS

10826 (ref article of Lfc financial status by Liverpool post reporter Maguire)

CS>what does Sean Maguire know about global strategic managment of a multi-billion euroi/dollar/pound "brand" ?..

Liverpool currently are still a globally known & (despite the damage dont by Gillet , Hicks, Moores, Parry, Purslow & Broughton) have a global fan base exceeding 1 million IF properly managed could bring in multi-billions in the coming years..

Sure , on field efforts must be better, which why the remove of Rafa was downright negative! ..thanks to "fast food fans" fed by biased headline -seeking & lying media..
turning every molehill into an anti-Lfc mountain..

But , IF the true global supporters owned Lfc - giving 25% to the state (by off-setting the existing bank loans) - an effective C.E.O, whose aim is to realise the masive potential of the "LiverBird icon", could still make Lfc, in the midst of a global financial double-dip, the strongest club in the World!

this requres a "sea change" in the attitude of players & ALL the global fans however, currently poisoned by recent events..if you believe we can achieve!
(KOP_UNlimited)!

_________________________________________________________________
Strategy for immediate improvement of the global Society;-

"Global (E.L.S.U.N) Project Super-Nova"

* Stop splintering the efforts pf GOOD people , support local & global co-operation & energy needed to make a better world for y-our kids, NOTE however well-intentioned you are dealing with the symptoms NOt the CAUSE of the sickness of modern society

..When , rather than the LAST thing applied by y-our government officials & buisiness - the articles of the UNIVERSAL DECLARATION of HUMANe Rights (& ECHR) MUST become the FIRST thing you EXPLAIN to y-our children

...we will make things better..Together!

*Removal of all police /national frontiers - & thus removal of reasons for border conflict , people may only reserve a home for themeselves & immediate family the planets land belongs to all the people. - stop the oil lobby - apply ECO-Logistics...Stop pollution & waste!

*Replacement of national currency with one "Global" unit, with immediate effect, a step on the route to remove all need for "money"
- no tax payments to national government who fund war or military conflict, or local councils who allow industry or citizens to pollute the atmosphere we breathe, the water we drink, or the land which belongs to us all.

* All people have the basic right of being accomodated, fed & cared for, with or without money.
....all private & commercial buildings left empty for more than 6 months are then used to house the homeless.

* a "profit limit" of between 10-20% phased in over 5 years - will eventually DEFLATE consumer costs, remove commercial insentive, encourage community solutions, remove rental costs & property speculation, (once a max 20% profit of the construction is achieved , people may no longer demand "rent")

..........and do your Utmost to keep a Sense of Humour, because stupidity Rules this planet...<smile>

to add creative ideas or join , email the E.L.S.U.N/EdAgN

,,,

CS11020>- wont get fooled again..(part 2-3 ->? ) ..ridi-cult->fight?

"just for fun"...another way to see the "story so far"

From Conspiracy to collaterall damage....CONfused you WONT be...after this????? ....by a "fantasist" (SoS description of the writer!)

Picture an "Dallas Texas old boys club" meeting between George W***** Bush & Tom Hicks..(2007)

GwB > "hey there Tom, looks like I may be on the way out of the white house, but the "New world order" is really taking control of the World , fear & security issues have got the planet where we want it , big increase in military, police & global weapons sales old boy"
THICKs>....."yeah ,Congrats GW, but that George Gillet was telling me about some "50,00 RED Army" guys in the the Athens area..spouting commie logos & RED Star banners, what are we gonna do about that?"

GwB> "Shucks, we just managed to get the global media & popular opnion behind us demonizing Islam , and them commie b*stards rear their heads again..
shiuld have nuked mosCOW when we had the chance.."
THICKs > "Nah, GW, these REDS are mostly limeys come from Liverpool, England..!! I 'll talk to George G. about it, and come to yer"

Despite Bush losing the presidency & Hicks losing everyone else's money and jobs, on bad business deals, Gillet had managed to convince greedy Lfc custodian (D.Moores) and "naive" accountant / managing director; Rick Parry to sell the legal company trading as "LIVERPOOL football club (Lfc) to Gillet & Hicks.(G & H) but as they had no money they conned a bank into using the club as "collater-all".. G & H organised big press conferences , spouting lots of promises and even tricked LFC into paying (50 million GBP!) for a fantastic design for a new stadium to "convince" the fans that G & H were "good old boys"

Honeymoon over

The Manager of the senior squad of players (G & H didnt realise that these players were important in the plans to thwart the "RED army") ; Mr. Rafael Benitez, (Rafa) dared to question the deals done by R. Parry with G & H ...and and the relationship between supporters , players & manager established by the "socialist Rebel" (Bill Shankly; "Shanks") 40 years previously ..still lived on. and core Supporters backed Rafa when G & H tried to replace him with a german (everyone knows in Liverpool that the germans bombed their chippy in WW2 making them extremely unpopular on merseyside!) ..

Soon more & more questions were aimed at G & H about the debt being loaded & delay in building the stadium , and when it was discovered a "yanks Out " campaign started (even if "Texans out" might have been more accurate) .. G & H (especially "poor Texas Tommmy") started to realise that their plans to undermine this apparent "re-birth" of socialism was being uncovered , and although the media was still peddling the same anti-Rafa BullSh*te, & they replaced Parry with Purslow ( a financial shark trained in the devious board room antics of mergers & "leveraged buy out" ...which if performed by an ordinary person, in normal commerce , would be considered "fraud" ) ...Rafa kept on exposing their devious plans and Supporters ..the true RED Army kept on chanting Rafa's name....

Propaganda

Hicks complained to Bush, who got his Nixon-style "propaganda machine" working...getting his "rats" scurring through all those "fans forums" "soccer chat rooms" and such to abuse & call for Rafa to go from Lfc , using any lie or mindless media headline , to back up their disgusting campaign..at the same time Parry who confused the signing of players Rafa wanted, or wanted to keep, then Purslow plotted with players that were sidelined or unhappy to get Rafa out as Rafa insisted (like Shanks) to have complete control of foootballing matters & transfers, Purslow wanted him out but for different reasons than G & H..
how own greed for power.

The loans built up, and G & H could no longer resist the bankers (who were party to the extra-ordinary "leveraged buy out" by G & H) claim for repayments and made "conditions".. including , of all things to appoint a new "Chairman" ..a Chelsea fan ("Chelski" because it is funded by a russian billionaire "businessman") G & H were told by Bush to agree as the "businessman" was not a commie but a friend..and he would help bring the "Liverpool RED ARMY" to its knees..and the "chairman" (Broughton) played along..and he plotted with Purslow to remove Rafe, and eventually after a meeting when Rafa was away, forced Rafa (the most succesful team manager of Lfc in 20 years) to leave, (although Rafa & his wife made significantcontribution to the local community & still keeps his home in Liverpool, is now @ Inter Milan.)

Back-stabbing Suits

G & H & GwB watched & smiled as Lfc declined, Purslow made all the important transfer decisions (although not having any more ideas than an average fan )
even though he & Martin Broughton(MB) were supposed to bring investment or in MB's case to find a buyer for the whole club in the summer of 2010. Despite promises the summer came & went, and more &more of the "RED ARMY" woke up - even the Supporters Union (called "Spirit of Shankly"= SoS!) combined with "ShareLfc"(SL)...& finally found some of that "Shanks spirit" and began organising opposition to G & H , with posters , concerts, meetings & a march to the stadium..

(Edit; the writer had warned SoS-SL & the RED Army via the "KOP" magazine back in 2008 & 2009 that dynamic action was needed!)

Other activists, individuals & independent "factions" made alternative "protest" shirts & launched postal & email campaigns against the various culprits; "yankers, bankers & w*nkers worldwide"..even the mainstream media had to take notice! ..exposing more & more of the conspiracy to defraud the people who funded Lfc .....the GLOBAL REDs Army..by the "suits"

G & H valued Lfc @ somewhere around 600-800 million dollars (which would only be true IF the global RED Army complied in marketing products & services, match days, replica kit & souvenir sales) Purslow saw his chance and with another Director (Ayres) got Broughton to bring in a "yes man" (Hodgson) to coach the team (thus Purslow kept power) and sell the club cheap so that G & H were out, leaving him to develop his power with new "owners".. the devious yet stupid G & H were easily outwitted (& removed) by clever lawyers employed by Purslow & Broughton..and "LFC" was apparently "sold" to NESV for 300 million!

what happens next? ..well the mainstream MEDIA , Bush, G & H , Broughton, Parry, Moores & Purslow all chose at different time to forget the RED ARMY power is not just 50,000 but over a million worldwide, and is under-estimated by everyone..and when it wakes up, after celebrating the removal of G & H ..we shall find out if those replacing G & H.. are the "New England Sports Ventures" ...or VULTURES..

(what if GwB's buddies are behind NESV?)...

the message for the "suits" ?.....whatever Happens the RED ARMY will never always be fooled , all of the time..!

after all the "censorship here & everywhere"...."first they ignore, you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you..then..you...."

I think its broughton & Purslow who ought to keep "councel" the legal version may yet be needed to defend themselves from the mess THEY also caused at Lfc..

Kenny just calmed the waters after the departure of Rafa nr did he "sack" Paco, get it right!

No wonder the Lfc "bored" keep quiet after the "queens council" got them out of a legal mess of their own making and broughton & purslow contrbuted to G & H damaging our club...

my understanding of Rafa's point...

IF my milkmen arrives at my door with a bottle full of white liquid , its fairly sure that the CONCLUSION is that its full of MILK
...comparing with Purslow...
IF we were looking so great before Purslow WAS APPOINTED managing director by FRAUDSters G & H and then afterwards everything ; transfers, finance management, player relations etc etc seemed to go WRONG, theres only one simple CONCLUSION..its down to PURSLOW!!

..I wonder how many sneering english journalists or "pundits" can speak another langauge fluently in a press conference , half the journos from london & manchester cant even speak their own language ...?

Benitez inherited a squad which was weak and turned it into europes best (2 Cl finals , semi & qrt finals in 5 seasons) and the best league position in 20 years!http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/10/crisis-part-one-hypocrisy-hodgson/!!..
Hansen knows about as much as RH, all these ex players, good on the park, but could not hack it at the highest level of management , so go into (easy) media!
/2010/10/crisis-part-one-hypocrisy-hodgson/